Hasta la Vista

July 4, 2007 19:49

I thought my next blog post would be announcing SubSonic 2.0.3 - and until late this morning thing were looking pretty good on that front. I know, it sounds like a lame way to spend the 4th of July, but sometimes real freedom is a quiet phone and an empty inbox. And since our "commander-in-chief" has continued to use the Constitution as toilet paper, I'm not feeling especially patriotic...

But instead of releasing 2.0.3, I'm rebuilding my dev box. For reasons I will probably never know, IIS decided to take a permanent holiday this morning and no amount of coaxing would bring it back. I attempted to remove and reinstall IIS, only to discover that once removed, it had no intention of going back. Fair enough, I'll do a repair install of the OS, just like I used to do when XP became completely FUBAR.

Well, in Vista you can't do that anymore. There is simply no option to reinstall core OS files short of a full reinstall. Ok then, I guess this means a full reinstall - it'll give me a chance to truly clean house. Well, during one of the many reboots in the process, the boot manager decided it was time to reshuffle my drive letters, turning my C:\ drive into my E:\ drive, an in so, refusing to boot back into the installer. Oh joy.

So I thought for a minute about what Vista has really done for me in the three months since I made a full commitment to it, and whether I really felt like fighting it anymore:

Positive Vista Contributions

  • Nice eye candy
  • A better task scheduler
  • A services tab in task manager
  • None of the features (like WinFS) that got me initially excited about it.
  • Ability to run Halo 2.

Negative Vista Contributions

  • Significantly slower file operations everywhere
  • Mysterious file locking
  • A complete lack of transparency into the inner workings of just about everything on my machine
  • Beta quality video drivers six months after official release. Thanks nVidia!
  • Bonus: Despite repeated to attempts to convince it otherwise, thinks every folder contains pictures thereby removing any useful information and replacing it with a slide show option. Surprisingly, .dll files don't render into nice 24-bit images.

And there it was: A choice as clear as daylight. Of course, thanks to the symbolic links that Vista creates across the file system as part of the virtualization model, this is not a straightforward process.  Windows XP cannot delete the contents of the Windows directory, and you won't even make it to the initial reboot without a file copy failure. In retrospect, I probably should have just blown away my C:\ partition, but I chose the difficult route, which involved Ultimate Boot Disc and the manual resetting of permissions and ownership across several directories. But now I'm on my way, XP is installed, and I've commenced the laborious process of reinstalling all the applications I depend on.

It's funny - I don't feel like I've given up a damn thing. In fact, I'm actually excited to be back on XP - back to a fast, tried-and-true operating system that I control, without daily surprises. Goodbye Vista - I've got work to do and I don't have time for this bullshit. You're beautiful, but that's enough to sustain a relationship. Call me when you hit SP1.


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July 4. 2007 21:15

Damien Guard

Just when I think I might be missing something with Vista there's another tale to remind me I'm better off where I am on XP Wink

[)amien

Damien Guard

July 4. 2007 21:40

Mark Heath

I don't blame you. I've been on Vista since March, and it hasn't given me anything extra from XP. The weird file locking is very annoying. Adding a new folder into program files requires two lots of permission - one to add the folder, and one to rename it. It has blue screened on me 5 times completely out of the blue. The built-in search is also very disappointing - less useful than Google desktop search. And drivers for music recording hardware are almost non-existant.

Its a shame - I really wanted to like Vista. But its here to stay, so I'm trying to get used to it.

Mark Heath

July 5. 2007 09:04

Andrew Rimmer

I feel your pain.

I just had to rebuild my machine, and it took ages. I had about 2 pages of applications I had to install, and then all my settings and files to restore.

And I forgot to install SQL Server 2005 BEFORE Visual Studio 2005, so none of the proper SQL Management tools installed properly. Grr......

Andrew Rimmer

July 5. 2007 13:05

jonx

Welcome back!
I didn't switch to Vista and do not intend to...
Even with SP1, I'll wait for people's feedback... It will have to be flawless to make me consider switching.
I guess that you must feel some kind of power now again. XP is fast and stable.
Something like if you are back from a very bad and hard trip ;)
Have fun...

jonx

July 5. 2007 13:07

Jonx

I'm getting a

Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

when I clic on the publish button

Jonx

July 5. 2007 13:07

Jonx

I'm getting a

Object reference not set to an instance of an object.

when I clic on the publish button

Jonx

July 5. 2007 13:13

kevin

welcome back eric!

I never left XP for exactly this reason.

I feel your pain though and share your headache - rebuilding a box is never a fun way to spend your time.

great to hear about 2.03 Smile

kevin

July 5. 2007 13:27

Eric Kemp

This is mostly a test to see if I get the object reference errors...

Also, heading out of town until Sunday night, so yesterday was my window on 2.0.3. Unless I get some free time, I'm afraid it's gonna be Monday before it's released... Frown

Eric Kemp

July 5. 2007 14:22

Elden

Version 2.03 include a new query engine?

Elden

July 5. 2007 16:12

John Pendergrast

Vista is sort of like a really hot girl who has the IQ of a small hamster. Fun for a short period and then pure torture.

Since I installed Vista back in December it has been nothing but a "make work" project. I actually had to install an additional 2gb of RAM (bringing my total to 4gb + 1gb ReadyBoost) just to make it perform anywhere near as quickly as XP. Just last week I finally broke down and spent $350 calling Microsoft Support to get my Microsoft SQL Server Reporting Services working (I had spent about 45 hours on it by that point). I honestly got the impression that the tech representative didn't like Vista either. Tong The thing that scares me most is that I came from XP x64. I was used to some issues with drivers, but I assumed Vista would make things easier. Sigh. If only that were true.

Anyway... I am rambling. Vista is going to be leaving my system sometime very soon. If only it didn't take 24hrs of solid installing to get my system back to base install with XP. Stupid giant dev tools install... Maybe I will send Microsoft a bill for all my wasted time with Vista. Smile

John Pendergrast

July 5. 2007 16:14

LarryB

Am I the only one that likes Vista? I have been loving it since I installed it and have had very few problems. Did everyone do clean installs or upgrades? Maybe I'm just the lucky one.

LarryB

LarryB

July 5. 2007 17:01

John Pendergrast

I did a clean install. Smile

Also.. I forgot the best error I have had yet... Since working with Microsoft support on fixing my SQL Server Reporting Services installation on Vista I have been receiving SqlClient errors in Spanish!

Error: System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: Ya hay un objeto con el nombre 'tmpTable' en la base de datos.

Thank you Google Language Tools for quick, and sometimes amusing, translations.

John Pendergrast

July 5. 2007 18:04

Troy

I bought a new machine and it came with Vista, and have not seen any of these problems. It is Vista Ultimate, 4GB RAM, and an nVidia 8800 640MB RAM.

Sorry to hear about your continued problems Eric, although it now sounds fixed since you are back on XP. Smile

Troy

July 5. 2007 18:12

Shawn Oster

I've had less technical issues with Vista and more conceptual ones.

First, Home Premium doesn't include Remote Desktop support which is vital for me and managing the machines in my home. That single decision to only include it in Ultimate is enough to make me want to punch everyone on the SKU team that supported that decision. Seriously, Mr. SKU Team Member, if I see you on a plane I may just shank you with the toothpick from my martini.

Second, Home Premium doesn't include Windows authentication in IIS, which means that until very recently F5 debugging was broken in VS2005.

Third, UAC is horrible. They should have just bitten the bullet and made it a true admin account, like OS X, like Linux. While I don't use either of those OS I do think their way of handling access if infinitely better than the UAC BS.

The UI is just different, not necessarily "better". Some things like the integrated search is great, just press the win key and you search everything from apps to e-mails, which is great since I never have to scroll through a Program Files start menu, just win key and start typing. Then again some things just look weird, out-of-place or plain odd.

The sad thing is that Microsoft is rarely a great innovator, they are best when playing catchup. They need the pressure of a competitor to propel them and until Apple gets an even higher market share I think their OS is going to continue to be lukewarm. That being said I use Vista everyday because as an application developer there is no way I can afford to not have my applications Vista compatible. I don't have the luxury of saying "I'll just downgrade to XP".

Shawn Oster

July 5. 2007 18:20

Zack Owens

I personally find Vista a great improvement over XP (besides UAC). I think Visual Studio 2008 will make Vista a better experience for developers. Just wait Smile

So 2.0.3 is when? I can hardly wait!

Zack Owens

July 6. 2007 02:11

Eric Kemp

It's not really that Vista is all that bad, it's more that it just isn't all that good. At the end of the day, what is it really doing for you that XP isn't?

Vista feels like one of those XP themes that you try because it looks really cool, but eventually you end up uninstalling it because it slows your computer down and screws up too many things... The only difference is that with Vista you can't uninstall theme - it's the OS itself.

Zack: Probably gonna be Monday before I get a chance to pull it together, unless I can squeeze a few hours in over the next few days. And a few extra days to shake out a couple more bugs can't hurt, right?

Eric Kemp

July 6. 2007 04:09

LarryB

I guess I feel the opposite. It has in a lot of cases sped my pc up which is weird from what I'm reading. I attribute my speed to the memory management. But oh wells.

LarryB

July 8. 2007 20:02

Duckie

Guess i am one of the lucky ones. Almost no issues here. I had the file-locking alot, but i know when it happens, and what to do about it.

After your post i have thought of going back (to my windows 2003 setup), but i am _really_ comfortable in Vista.

Solid like a rock since i installed it several months ago. No bluescreens ever, and no wierd applications crawling through my system. No antivirus or anti-spyware installed. I love it.

At start i ran it with 1 gig of ram, working in Visual studio, photoshop, word etc. at the same time. No problems!

Duckie

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